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Ravenwarbird
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 Posted - 02/29/2008 : 03:05:04
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Just thought I would start a thread where you could talk about how other people have responded to finding out you don't wear clothing all the time. Hopefully good ones and ones that have joined you.
I have a friend that has sort of picked up on being clothing optional. This is her story.
I have mentioned that for two years I had to share a bed room with my older brother. Well one summer night my friend had a sleep over at my house and we were going to sleep out in my back yard in a tent so as to not keep my brother up all night and to avoid disturbing the exchange student. So we went into my and my brothers room to get ready for bed. My brother was reading on his bed when we came in and I started to get undressed so as to put on my PJ's. My friend stopped me whispering that my brother was on his bed. I told her that I could see that as there is no divider in our room. She was confused at how I could undress with him watching. Well I doubt that he is really watching us but even if he were it would be no big deal, I do it all the time, we do share the room you know. You mean he see you in your underwear? she said. Yeah and without it too. I said. By this time I was likely wearing nothing but my underwear.
She was shocked, then she asked if he would mind if she changed into her nightie in front of him. I told her that did not see why not. The he said " You know I can heard you perfectly well, and no I do not care if you do, I won't look." with that she got undressed giggling the whole time and we both got ready for bed. In the tent she told me she has never gotten undressed in front of a boy before and it was kind of fun. She asked me a ton of questions that I do not remember all about what it is like to share a room with my brother. I do remember however that she wished she had my brother in her family instead of her two younger brothers.
I kind of think she developed a crush on my brother but the point of the story is that she often came over to my house and never worried about what to wear. She once told me that she loved being at my house because it was so nice ("really, you think it is nice?") and she could sunbath with me without worry. We sometimes sunbathed topless when my parents were gone. And she thought nothing of walking through my house that way even if my brother was there, she was the only one of my friend I sunbathed with that did that.
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
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Posted - 03/01/2008 : 02:38:05
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As I was reading many of the posts I was reminded of a girl I went to early morning seminary with. I know her mostly from seminary but have known her for many years before but we never really became good friends. I would say we were friends but not real friends.
So anyway, I overheard her talking about her swim classes. Apparently several times a week she would train for the swim team at a pool across town and them her father would drive her to seminary. She would get up at four in the morning to go swimming until 5:45am and then seminary at 6am. One of the other girls she is friends with asked how she could change out of her swim gear and still get from one end of town to the other in only 15 minutes. Her answer, I change out of my gear and into my clothes in the car, been doing that since I started seminary. There was a bunch of shock and awe and questions like, your naked with your dad in the car? and while driving through town? The answer was yes. Her dad had been taker her to swim practice for ever back before she was old enough to be in the change room by herself. He had seen her change in out out of her bathing suit tons of times. As for getting naked in the back of a car while traveling through town, There in no traffic that early in the morning. I thought that through and yeah, I don't remember seeing anyone driving that morning.
What I like most and what was sparked in my mind to recall this, was the sense of acceptance. It was nothing for father to see daughter naked and she had no problem with her father seeing her like that. It was just family. |
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kwb
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2008 : 04:40:42
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Originally posted by Ravenwarbird
What I like most and what was sparked in my mind to recall this, was the sense of acceptance. It was nothing for father to see daughter naked and she had no problem with her father seeing her like that. It was just family.
And I bet they were a very close family in many other ways, too. Am I right, Raven, or do you know?
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
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Posted - 03/01/2008 : 19:51:57
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| No I don't know, I never met the rest of her family as far as I know. I might have seen her father when she was being dropped off but I do recall. It is not something I take note of I guess. |
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
1128 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 01:51:05
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I have been slowly going through the old posts and learning a lot. Most recently I have been reading a lot about "open door" policies in the home. In my home we did not have one with the exception of my brother and me, I had a no door policy with him. Nudity in my house was limited to small children and stopped at age six for the most part. My mother was a home child care worker so we had small kids in my home for years. Anyway, with my family you always closed doors when removing clothes. The exceptions where if you where same gender in the same room and of course when I stayed in my brothers room for two or so years. Now that I think back I do not know why my parents allowed that. I was overjoyed to be sharing a room with anyone and really wanted the big room, so I did not object at all. I think it might have had something to do with my bedtime being two hours before my brothers so I was asleep when he went to bed. Also my brother has astounding night vision so he never turned the lights on when he went to bed, that I know of anyway after all I was asleep.
This is all getting off the main topic as to why I started this post. So anyway as I was reading about how open some of your families are or were and what not, I recalled an incident that one of my good friends told me. She was the one I talked about before who was weirded out at first when I undressed with my brother still in the room, that is until she tried it. I think I created a monster in her, ha ha that is a joke whether or not you laugh I am.
So one day when I think we were 15, she woke up to an empty house. I will note that she is LDS. She had been looking forward to this day when her parents would be taking her two younger brothers somewhere I know not. That is to say I do not think she really told me where her parents went and if she did it was not important enough to remember. She would have the house all to herself for the whole day-light. She had often expressed to me a desire to be able to be naked at home with out fear. This was her day! She removed all her clothes and walked through the whole house to the downstairs bathroom to have a shower. She has her own bathroom upstairs but wanted a reason to walk around naked I think so she went to the downstairs one.
She opens the bathroom door and sees her youngest brother (7or8) sitting on the toilet. Her initial reaction was to ask why he was still at home, only then did she remember that she was naked. However she did not make any attempt to cover up. She sort of had wanted something like this to happen so she could start being more open around her brothers. She had not planned on one seeing her naked but maybe start with them seeing her in her underwear. Point is that he had seen her and there really was not much point in covering up now. He said that he was not feeling good and had to stay home, mom left a note on the fridge for her. Then he asked why she was naked, she told him she was about to take a shower. She started running the water then got in. She told him to warn her when he was going to flush then added that he could join her if he wanted, it might make him feel better. He did on both accounts. She told me it was awesome, she would sometimes see him naked after his bath running to his room but as far as she know he had never seen her naked. It also felt natural somehow, it was something they could share, a real brother/sister bonding time. He was the little brat to her most of the time but now he was her little brother who was not feeling well.
After the shower they got dressed and she took care of him for the day. All was good and fine for about a week. Her parents found out she had showered with her brother and she got grounded for a while. She did say her parents heard her side of the story, minus the intention to be nude at home, and they calmed down and lessened their initial punishment and reaction. They saw that she did not intend for him to see her naked and in was an honest mistake thinking she was alone. I don't think her brother meant to get her in trouble as he apologized to her for getting her in trouble. On a funny note, her other brother (11)also got grounded for asking if he could see her naked too. |
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kwb
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 08:06:34
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Originally posted by Ravenwarbird
On a funny note, her other brother (11)also got grounded for asking if he could see her naked too.
That's hilarious! I can just picture that scenario, family counsel, reading the riot act, setting the punishment, and whatever, and little "Sammy" pipes up and says, "Can I..." Poor little guy! He'll be messed up for life because the thought will linger on forever and ever! JJ
Brought back another memory from when I was 12 or 13 yoa - no nudity involved, however - wherein my brother and I, along with 3 or 4 other friends from Church, were planning our "get away"! We had planned to skip school (at least 3 different schools were involved), rendezvous at a certain place common to us all, pack up the guns (seems like that, along with some scant provisions for clothing, was all that was necessary 'cause we were going to "live off the land" by hunting game for food. Actually, we just wanted the guns, but had to justify it somehow; elsewhere I mentioned I was a gun nut at the time!). Anyway, everything went off okay, with the exception that not all of us skipped school. So those of us who did, had to wait for those who didn't (my brother being one of them). Thinking school was out, we were hiding in our backyard, peering over a hill towards the driveway, when my mother and a friend of hers (also from Church and who also had a son involved in our little escapade) drove up and saw us. As we figured that school was out by now (we had no timepiece amongst us), we played it cool (or so we thought). Problem was we figured wrong! What then ensued was Gestapo like interrogation, and even though I thought up to that point in time that my brother was not that enthusiastic about starting a new life for himself "in the wilds" and was somewhat "dragging" behind the rest of us, when he shot back a remark to Mom & Dad that "If I could, I'd do it again!!" I figured, maybe, just maybe, he was for all of this after all! BUT, not a cool remark, under any circumstance! (We then had our fingernails pulled off and our feet nailed to the floor, etc., etc. JJ) Those were the "Good 'ole days"!
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 01:05:30
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For some reason this girl just popped into my mind as I was reading the "Kong" thread. I did not know her very well as she got married a few months after I moved into my brothers house and started going to his YSA ward. He know her well as I think he home taught her at one time. She lived with a bunch of girls and my brother took me over to their house for some reason, movie night I think, Jimmy Newtron the movie. Some how the conversation brought her to tell us that her youngest brother, she is the oldest, got in trouble at school for drawing penis guns in art class. She said that her brothers and sisters run around naked all the time as she did when she was their age. They live on a farm so have no neighbors. They skinnydipped almost everyday in the reservoir beside their house. Another girl there said she did the same thing but not with her brothers since the oldest brother, She was oldest child, was eight but still did it with her sisters at least once a year. I was like cool you are my new best friends, I see why my bro introduced me to you.
As some point they mentioned that they sometimes sunbath topless or nude on the small balcony. The house on that side is vacant and run down so they do not worry about anyone seeing them. Then they said that the next time they do it they should call me. This was a dream come true. However I gave my brother the evil eye from across the room because I figured this was to good to be true and he had put them up to it or at least told them about my clothing preference at home. I told them "Sure anytime, give me a call." Letter I confronted my brother about it and he told me that the whole conversation was news to him. He had no idea they were so open to nudity, well he did notice that the engaged Sister tended not to wear a bra but that was all he knew about her tendencies.
Sadly it never amounted to anything, I saw them at church every week and the not engaged Sister hung out at our house a lot but we never sunbathed together. I think because she came over to see my brother and not me. She was a bit chemically unbalanced and would spend hours talking to my brother about her life and problems. He has always been that way, quiet and a really good listener. When ever I had a problem or needed to talk I went to him. But seriously, I have seen this happen many times in my life, total strangers will sit next to him and just unload their problems to him. He will listen and talk with them until they feel better and he gives really good advice. He could make millions working as a priest in a Catholic confession booth. So, yeah, this Sister would come over and talk to my brother until she felt better. She moved out of town and I never see her anymore but my brother still e-mails her now and then. I am told she is doing really well.
Gaah! again I keep writing these long posts, they are not this long in my head. |
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mfletch7
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 08:45:51
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Raven, count yourself blessed. Having a brother or any other family member that is a good listener is a true blessing. There are too few people in this world who are very good at it. I know that I am still working on the ability.
Like others have said, I really enjoy reading your posts (and they are not at all long, if want to see long look at the posts from Tobefree). |
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
1128 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 16:17:40
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| Thank you, I do appreciate him for that ability, I take advantage of it a lot. Yeah these posts are not all that long, just wait until I get going on a real good personal account. Then you will know the power of the word wall and your eyes will never be the same again! Ha ha ha ha hA!! |
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bryans_saturdays
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 19:08:09
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Originally posted by Ravenwarbird
On a funny note, her other brother (11)also got grounded for asking if he could see her naked too.
That IS hilarious! I laughed out loud when I read it. I bet his parents thought he was being perverted, but in reality, his request was most likely based on good old fashioned curiosity.
We have some real good friends in the ward with a son the same age as my daughter. We'll call their son Ethan and my daughter Jane. One day when they were at our house, Jane (as girls often do) said she was going to change her clothes and headed for her bedroom. Ethan followed, but far enough behind that Jane easily closed her door before he got there. Ethan knocked on the door. (All of this was just down the hall from the living room where we could hear what was going on.) We heard the muffled voice of Jane, "Who is it?"
"It's Ethan."
"I'm changing my clothes" said Jane.
"I know" said Ethan. "Can I come in?"
"ETHAN!" roared his dad, who was right next to me. "COME HERE!"
"But" said Ethan, in a perfectly innocent voice, "I wanna see Jane naked."
His dad turned a deep shade of purple and buried his head in his hands, and his mom, looking horrified beyond words, ran down the hallway and dragged his son out to the car where he sat until they all went home.
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kwb
USA
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 00:09:21
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Like others have said, I really enjoy reading your posts (and they are not at all long, if want to see long look at the posts from Tobefree).
Raven, like mfletch said - your posts are not all that long, and I find myself entranced with them. Some posts are long & LABORIOUS; yours are not long enough and definitely a joy to read.
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kwb
USA
334 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2008 : 00:13:31
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Bryan... Now THAT's hilarious as well!! I gotta ask - how old were the kids? (16, 17 yoa?!)
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 01:38:42
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I have to agree, that was funny. Not for the boy and his parents at the time, but it was to everyone else. Also I think, seriously I really do think, the parents will laugh about it after a few years and it will be brought up at his wedding reception.
In the "Dreams" thread I promised to share a story about sleeping. This also fits with modest dress.
Just last week I was in the Library studying hard for an exam I had that day, cramming as much in the last hours. A friend of mine was also doing some reading one lounge chairs behind me. She is in Criminal Justice and had a mock court case I think that day so she was wearing a full dress suit, high heels and a bun in her hair. The classic female lawyer outfit. She was acting the part being all prim proper and perfect, sitting up straight with her feel crossed. Very lady like.
An hour later I finish studying and start packing up when I hear from behind me "Snnzzzzzzzzzzkkkkk". My friend is out cold, head back,arms limp to the side, mouth and legs wide open. Not lady like at all. The worst part for her was that she was sitting sort of at the end of a walking path in the library. Anyone who planned to study at a desk or lounge chair had to walk towards and past her. Meaning they would have had a clear view up her knee length skirt. So I did the only dignified thing and took lots and lots of pictures and sent them to all our friends. Just joking, I only took one picture and it was on her phone. Then I put my coat over her lap so people would not look up there and looked at her schedule to see when her next class was. I placed her phone by her head and set it to max volume so I could call her to wake her for her next class if she had not already woken by then.
At the end of the day we met up and I got me coat back and she thanked me for it. I then point out that she must not have looked at the photo's on her phone yet if she is thanking me. She did and I ran away laughing. I have no doubt that if the roles had been reversed she would have done the same to me.
Second story also happened last week. I got home from a hard day at the end of witch I missed my bus home so I had to walk home. When I got there I went straight into the shower, well OK if went to me room first to get undressed. After my soothing shower I through on a t-shirt and collapsed face first onto my bed for a nap. I awoke to the sound of my nephew asking me what I was doing. Now the t-shirt was all I was wearing and I was pretty sure that his mother (my sister-in-law) would not appreciate it if he came home saying he saw antie naked. So I told him I was taking a nap and asked him what he was doing. He said he was looking for me.
His mother had left him and one of his sisters with my brother while she and her other daughter went to something. This happened while I was asleep. Now I know for a fact that he has seen his sisters naked as I have bathed them together on many occasions; however I do not think he has seen his mother naked ever and if he did he was really little. I do not close my door very often as I have nothing to hide from my brother and the cat has not figured how to open doors yet and likes to sleep on my bed. So I had to tell him to go upstairs and I would follow soon.
I had no problem with him seeing me bottomless, technically he did, it was his mother who I thought would have the problem. Although I also know for a fact she has been a nude model or my oldest brother who is a spectacular artist as a hobby. |
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kwb
USA
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 07:59:41
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Cute stories, Raven. Again, you have quite the way with words!
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bryans_saturdays
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 09:13:22
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Bryan... how old were the kids?
Oh yea, I forgot that part. They were both about six or seven years old.
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
1128 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2008 : 02:26:59
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I was debating whether or not to create a new topic for my brothers mission stories but I figured nah, they fit in this topic anyway.
So like a said in my first post, my brother is not a naturist and has never skinnydipped in his life but has had quite a few odd experiences involving nudity. Most of the ones I know of come form his mission. I had to consult him today to refresh my memory.
I will start with a somewhat funny one. He and his companion knocked on a second story door at the top of a flight of stairs with no banister on the outside of a home. It was my brothers turn to do the talking so he took point. The door opens and my brother takes a deep breath in order to start talking. However he was greeted with the stench of at least 12 cats each with a week old litterbox and a wall of second hand smoke. Plus the sight of a 90+ skin and bones women wearing only a loose bra, silk panties and an oxygen tank tube in her nose and a cigarette in her mouth. So in that deep breath went all that putrescent stench causing my brothers nose to lungs to burn closing off his airway. Ok, that part is not funny. The sight of the practically naked ancient woman also, along withe the semisolid smell, caused his eyes to want to melt. He stumbled back and if not for his companion would have fallen the two stories. The Companion had to do all the talking as my brother was doubled over gaging for his life and eyes dripping tears in failed attempts to clean the sting. It will suffice to say that the lady did not let them in.
The funny part is that my brother said it was the only house he prayed not to get into. The whole time his companion talked, the companion was doing his best not to breath and stared clear over the womans head. It was half an hour before my brother could go to the next house and for the rest of the day everything he eat tasted of cigarette smoke and cat urine. No wonder the women needed oxygen, how could she live in there. Plus, how smart is it to be smoking while you are hooked up to an oxygen tank?
I promise you that story sounds a lot funnier when my brother tells it because he can make the face that tell the story.
Second story
He was knocking out in the country when he and his companion came across a guy working in his garden wearing just a pair of jeans. So they go up to the garden and start talking with this person. They talk for a while when a women comes up a path from the bushes behind the house. The four of them talk more and have a pretty good gospel discussion. The women who came up the path is wearing a sun dress and is wet so the question is asked why she is so wet. Well she just got back from skinny-dipping in the pond out back with the neighbors. Oh really, that must have been nice on a hot day like this. The Elders find out that the couple are form out west Sask. So they ask what brought the two of them way out here? They just wanted to get away from it all and the stigmas placed upon them be society. An odd statement to say he least. The Elders probe further on that and find out that this couple came here with the couple across the road and the people next door to form a small community of outcasts. My brother asks "If you don't mind me asking, why do you consider yourself outcasts?"
"Oh well you see we are lesbians, the guys across from us are gay and our neighbors are nudists." (tick tick tick tick BING!!!) Lightbulb. They are lesbians, lesbians are homosexual women, that means they are both women. Witch means the shirtless guy is a topless woman. Holy cow she's a woman?! They had been talking for over half an hour and only then did they realize the one without a shirt had breasts and not small ones either, they were like C's. How could they have missed that she was a woman. All this was going through their heads as they continued their conversation. It was not like they could just leave or point out they had not realized she was female. When the discussion ended my brother walked away with a tray of tomato plans for the Branch garden and an open invite to come again.
On a later date they want back and talked with he gay guys and the nudists who were covered at the time. Of note the 16 year old girl who lived there said she had been in the house and saw them coming so told the rest of the house so everyone could get dressed. She had always wanted to meet the Elders especially after she heard about the discussion they had with their neighbors. The girl wore only a backless dress she had made from a quilt. The skinny-dipping women was also there and said the had to run back to the pond to get her dress when she saw the Elders.
Back to me, when I first heard this story from him I had to ask why they went back knowing the people where nudists and would most likely be naked. They were out in the middle of nowhere and it was summer, I would be naked if I were them. He told me that everyone deserves to hear the gospel even naked people and besides the lesbian couple said they would tell their neighbors to expect the Elders soon so who was he do disappoint.
That is all I can say for now, you will just have to wait for the next installment of "Tales from the Mission" {ission sion ion on} (echo echo echo).
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